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giants need a great draft to keep pace with the rest of the nfc east, dont forget about the eagles with all their injuries last year. the giants have a real tough schedule. the giants need to have quality backups, what happens if tiki gets hurt? or shockey? or strahan? we need quality backups and cant count on only our best players. another issue is our offensive play calling, it stinks!!!! way to predictable.

giants need a great draft to keep pace with the rest of the nfc east, dont forget about the eagles with all their injuries last year. the giants have a real tough schedule. the giants need to have quality backups, what happens if tiki gets hurt? or shockey? or strahan? we need quality backups and cant count on only our best players. another issue is our offensive play calling, it stinks!!!! way to predictable.

The Giants are still a little green together. I think they have made some huge strides in the Defense but we still have some problems. As far as the rest of the East its a bit early to determine. In my opinion the Eagles are out for a few years Donivan and Westbrook cant do it alone. The Cowboys seem pretty sound but Clayton hasnt proven anything to me and Owens should be triple teamed by most teams that leaves Glenn, Jones, and Barber is that enough? As far as the Redskins are concerned if they do not find a quaterback pretty soon the rest of the team is going to be to old to readjust hehe. Brunell 13 years and Collins 11 and Casey who? But we have some holes to fill ourselves.Tony made a good point about not enough strong back-ups.I think Jacobs will only be an endzone runner too BIG of a target. Are back-ups are pretty weak. We picked up Jackson? Good? But then again if they keep building that defense we will be able to win with Me at QB.lol

Are there any informed GIANTS FANS on this page? That article was written by a chargers fan, who has no idea. If you're going to bash on one of the youngest, deepest teams in the league, coming off a division title, having committed the second most penalties in the league last year, at least talk about the new secondary that will take time to gell or the youth in the linebacking corps. Either way, the NYG are a new team in only it's second year, and they're building a dynasty. If you don't know why, let me know.

I tend to agree with B COhn. The Giants certainly aren't worse than they were last year and last year was pretty good. Demps replacing Alexander is an improvement. Madison replacing Allen probably isn't. But I think the Giants special teams will be amazing, I think the offense will be better because the offensive line will have some good continuity, and I think Eli will be better because he has now experienced a full season.

B COhn,

Thanks for your thoughts. I am not a Chargers fan in any way, though I do think they had the better end of the Manning deal until they let Brees go. I like the Giants and agree that they have a lot of young talent.

With that said I would like to know which positions you think they are deep in, cause from my standpoint they are not as deep as you seem to think they are.

The fact that the Giants won the division title last year means nothing this season. How many teams in the NFL won a division only to fall short the next year? The AFC West has had 4 different division winners in four years! And the Cowboys added a top-notch wideout, even if you hate him Owens is talented, and will surely add wins to their nine from last season.

Your rant about the defense makes no sense. You seem to agree with me that they need playmakers in the linebacking corp by admitting their youth. I feel that adding a veteran to that crew, like Arrington, will shore up a lot of problems and said so. Even a playmaker in the draft would work wonders for their linebackers. But they DO NOT have a solid linebacking corp yet by any means possible. Antonio Pierce is solid but needs someone next to him to be as effective as possible.

Dynasty is a word that should not even be crossing your mind yet. Dynasty is a word that even Super Bowl champions don't use to describe themselves until they have won at least a second one. It is unbelievably arrogant to claim the Giants are on the verge of a dynasty after ONE playoff berth in which they did diddly-squat in the postseason.

I hope the Giants win twelve games and make the next step in the NFL, I really do. But I just don't see it, they really have not improved at all from last years club and other teams have.

Fair enough. I'll be specific. Tiki, Derrick Ward, and B Jacobs makes a fierce running game. Jacobs will be good, and Ward is just as young and ran well until he got hurt. While our WRs are not true playmakers, Tim Carter and Jamaar Taylor give us a deep, if not experienced group. Jamaar has the potential to move Toomer to #3. Our O-line is deep at almost every position, especially guard, which is imperative in the run game. And we re-signed Whitfield. Awesome.

As for Defense, we have the pro-bowl starters at D-end, followed by Tuck and Moore(also LB). That's great. And I think Robbins and Joseph and the young guys will get the job done in the middle. Pierce is all you could ask for at MLB, and I say deep but young because Torbor, Blackburn, maybe Greisen back, and a draft pick (which sounds very likely) all really flashed last year. And Emmons is still a good sub. Demps is absolutely a huge pick-up and I don't care how much slower Madison is than Allen, Will Allen couldn't be between the ball and the WR last year and we can't afford that. He didn't save any gamnes for us, but I know we would've beaten the skins again had he not been burned 3 times deep. You give G Wilson, C Webster, J Butler another year, and add RW McQuarters, who started 16 game slast year at CB, we have depth. And that's assuming we never see W. Peterson again. They're young, but my point is that we have more athleticism than ever. But we need to not commit that many penalties so that we can get a lead and some momentum.

And assuming another good draft (all 7 picks) from Accorsi, a young LB, DT, WR, CB, and whatever else gives us a shot to be good for years to come.

$.02

B COhn

Well I agree they do have depth in the running game, but do you really feel confident the wideouts will hold up if Burress goes down? There are many deeper teams in that position in the NFL.

I disagree about equating youth with depth but I guess we just have to agree to disagree there. I just don't see enough playmakers on the defensive end.

BTW since I watched many Lions games last year, I know that McQuarters started all sixteen games as a safety, not cornerback. Not quite the same thing. But he was a good signing, for sure.

But in the end we agree that the Giants success depends on how well their youth plays, so lets just wait and see.

Thanks for the follow up,

cochise

i think 7-9 is a bit harsh. the schedule is brutal but i say that every year when the schedule first comes out. we have no idea what will happen (injuries, expectations) between now and the time the giants play each team. the last time i checked, will allen is hardly a stud conerback (good run stopper, HORRIBLE HANDS very suspect cover skills) and i believe we have upgraded with madison and mcquarters and mr. demps. also the last time i checked the giants have 2 pro bowl defensive ends. as far as the offensive skill people playing "out of their minds" i disagree completly with that. shockey STILL has a HUGE upside which hasn't been fufilled yet and he also toned his act down and eli simply did not get plaxico the ball enough at the end of the year. plaxico was invisible towards the end of the year. the giants need to figure out the 3rd option at WR. tim carter would not have been resigned unless the braintrust thought he is the answer, which i think he can be if he can stay on the damn field. i see another division title and another home playoff game and HUGE lessons learned from the carolina game. the giants have too many playmakers not to take the division again. do you honestly believe that brunell or bledsoe can take those teams to the promise land? i think mcnabb is going to have the eagles back in thick of things. 7-9 is a bit harsh......10-6, division, and who knows.........

You're right brian, injuries and other unknowns could change everything. Three more wins could be a matter of momentum and luck for any team, though I highly doubt ten will take the NFC East this season.

I do think Bledsoe can lead the Cowboys to many wins, he still has a good arm and is now playing with one of top five best wideouts in the game. And the Cowboys won a good number of games last year as well without Owens, don't forget.

As for Brunell, the Redskins never depended on his arm too much anyways. A great defense can always consistantly lead a team to wins. Last time I checked the Skins still have that.

Interesting post though. Maybe I will have to make my next blog focus on the schedule and which games I think the G-Men will win and lose. That way we'll be able to see where we agree and disagree.

I agree that the Giants will take the NFCE But that all depends on if Shockey and Plax get off there ass and performs to standard. I don't think Plax is that good of a deap threat and Shockey lost his Attitude in the game. Eli has got to step it up but the Offense have got to block for the guy. We have a developed a good Defense but our Offense Sucks big time. Shocky and Plex are looking out for Number one instead of the team. There is no i in team but just like last year Shockey went to Miami "For What" his game performance still sucked like it has in the past two years. But yet there he is again in Maimi dream world. Shockey and Plex needs to pracitce with ELI and stop thinking about them selves. There is no i in team but I guess they don't know that yet or colleage didn't teach them anything just passed them through so they can play ball. If they want to make it to the big game wise up and think about the team and not Number 1. Tiki can only do so much but Shockey and Plax if I got paid your money I could play to. It's easy to drop at perfect pass like you both have done and to drop the ball after a hit. I'll be more than happy to play for the Giants if they paid me the top dollar to not catch a esy pass and say at the end of the play it's on me i messed up. Sign me up TC I'm ready but my performance would be a lot better than Shockey and Plax. I'll drop the ball or not catch the pass that's easy to catch please pay me top dollar. Get real Offense if you want to stand a chance of going to the superbowl before some players get to old and have to retire without that ring. It's not fair to them to play for the Giants all there NFL career and have to retire with out the Ring. TC. I'm ready for the easy money as one of your receviers. Just call or write me back.

Cochise - I see your point where I'm relating youth to dpeth too much, but due to injuries, most of those young players had a chance to make plays last year and did. I'm just saying the potential is there, and it's cheaper cause they're younger. Having an aging LB like Emmons who could lose his legs any day now doesn't make me any more comfortable than Blackburn, who's young, but made a big play in his first game last year.

Giantspride - I have no idea where you're going with that. Injuries must be aside, because they to every team, and you never know when. Where are the skins WR without Moss? Randle El, not a #1. Dallas if Owens is out? Uh....yeah. Owens is a terrible fit for the cowboys, and the skins will be our biggest challenge, but Burress, Toomer, Carter, Taylor and 1 more I think they will draft all give us the better end of the matchup "if they're on the field."

I don't care how much is on the line, giantspride, you are not an acceptable option at WR. And everyone keeps forgetting about Jamaar Taylor. He also has not been on the field, but I believe he has the downfiled explosiveness and aggressiveness we need, just not the health. He was in on third down last year and ran a beautiful out, which Eli saw, hit him in the hands, and he was looking upfield before the ball got there. That's just youth.

We are not an elite team yet, but closer than most, and I personally, don't believe any NFCE team has as much as we do, especially when you consider special teams. We just need to have our youth keep getting better.

Cochise - I see your point where I'm relating youth to dpeth too much, but due to injuries, most of those young players had a chance to make plays last year and did. I'm just saying the potential is there, and it's cheaper cause they're younger. Having an aging LB like Emmons who could lose his legs any day now doesn't make me any more comfortable than Blackburn, who's young, but made a big play in his first game last year.

Giantspride - I have no idea where you're going with that. Injuries must be aside, because they to every team, and you never know when. Where are the skins WR without Moss? Randle El, not a #1. Dallas if Owens is out? Uh....yeah. Owens is a terrible fit for the cowboys, and the skins will be our biggest challenge, but Burress, Toomer, Carter, Taylor and 1 more I think they will draft all give us the better end of the matchup "if they're on the field."

I don't care how much is on the line, giantspride, you are not an acceptable option at WR. And everyone keeps forgetting about Jamaar Taylor. He also has not been on the field, but I believe he has the downfiled explosiveness and aggressiveness we need, just not the health. He was in on third down last year and ran a beautiful out, which Eli saw, hit him in the hands, and he was looking upfield before the ball got there. That's just youth.

We are not an elite team yet, but closer than most, and I personally, don't believe any NFCE team has as much as we do, especially when you consider special teams. We just need to have our youth keep getting better.

Like many of you I believe there is one player who will have by far the greatest influence over whether the Giants go 9-7 or 12-4 this year, and that's Eli. He's calm and steady even under the worst of situations, and is able to evaluate the defensive scheme on particular plays quite well already. He's got quality targets and a darn good running game to work with. But what we all know he needs to continue working on are his throwing mechanics, and his ability to analyze an opponent's cover strategies as the game progresses and construct effective counters. Many young QBs have a solid QB coach and an experienced backup QB to help them do just that. And that's where I don't see the Giants doing Eli any huge favors. Kevin Gilbride is a failed head coach who fell back to being an Offensive Coordinator and, failing that, is now Eli's coach. Sure he is... right there at the top of my list of QB coaching gurus. He's just the guy Eli needs to turn his mechanical bad habits into good ones... right. And who's the seasoned, one time starting QB who's primary job is to provide his experience to Eli toward accelerating his development? Tim Hasselbeck, with 5 starts in 4 years? What the heck is he going to be able to tell Eli? Maybe I'm off here, and if so I'd like to hear from somebody on how the Giants have set Eli up with all the consultants and advisors he needs in this early stage of his career. I'm certain there will be games this coming season when Eli's just out of it, sitting on the bench after another pic trying to figure out why things aren't going well, but with everything that's riding on his shoulders, I'd hope he gets more support than what I saw him get in those situations last season.

B. Cohn, don't get me wrong buddy. I do think the Giants has what it takes to make it all the way but lets face it On the first play against Washington did or didn't Plax dropped a perfect pass from Eli on the opening play in the End Zone. It was right in his hands but this is not the only easy passes he droped. The Shockmaster is the man but, he dropped some easy passes as well. Shockey need to get his grove back on and get the attitude flowing back in to his game. I strongly feel that they both need to be training in NY not in Miami. I don't see Tiki having to go else where to train because he like to run plays with the team. I don't see how Eli can get on the same sheet of music with them if they don't pratice together. They can't go to the dance if they don't know how to dance and the Superbowl is one big dance. That's all fellow Giant. The Giantspride signing out.